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Built-in Gutter Design and Detailing

March 31, 2008

Built-in Gutter Design and Detailing

 

Jeffrey S. Levine
Levine & Company, Inc
Ardmore, Pennsylvania
ABSTRACT
Built-in gutters are a frequently mis-constructed roof component. The basic princi¬
ples of thermal movement, as well as their direct impact on material selection, appear
to be misunderstood by both design professionals and contractors. Dubious details
contained in some of the industry’s standard reference manuals do not help the mat¬
ter. Recommendations for proper built-in gutter design and detailing will be made,
including a discussion of the stresses imposed upon built-in gutter liners under ther¬
mal load, seam selection, rivet selection and spacing, expansion joints, and layout.
Common misconceptions concerning gutter design, having to do with metal temper
and gauge, will also be examined.
SPEAKER
Jeffrey Levine is president of Levine & Company, Inc., Roof Consulting and
Architectural Conservation. Mr. Levine’s responsibilities include condition assess¬
ments, leak investigations, construction documentation, and maintenance planning.
He has served as project manager for over 200 restoration and rehabilitation projects,
preservation plans, and maintenance programs for a large variety of building types,
including academic, commercial, and ecclesiastical buildings. Mr. Levine’s expertise
in the field of slate roofing is nationally recognized. He has an M.A. in historic preser¬
vation planning from Cornell University, has written numerous articles on slate roof¬
ing, including Preservation Brief No. 29, published by the National Park Service, and
is a founding director of the National Slate Association.
Contact Information: Phone – 610-642-4081; E-mail -jlevine@levineco.net
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Built-in Gutter Design and Detailing

INTRODUCTION
Built-in gutters are a fre¬
quently mis-constructed roof
component. The basic principles
of thermal movement, as well as
their direct impact on material
selection, appear to be poorly
understood by both design profes¬
sionals and contractors. Worse
yet, for years, some of the indus¬
try’s standard reference manuals
on metal flashings and gutters
have been offering questionable
information to those charged with
the design and construction of
roof drainage systems. As a
result, built-in gutters are often
plagued by open seams, fatigue
cracks, and loose-locked seams
located within the zone of ice
damming.
Incorrectly installed built-in
gutters are not easily repaired.
Open seams cannot simply be re¬
soldered due to the presence of
dirt and moisture within the failed
seams. Expansion joints cannot
simply be installed after the fact if
water flow to the outlets is to be
maintained. Gutter replacement
is often the only long-term reme¬
dy, but even this can be complex,
especially when tie-in with an
existing standing seam or batten
seam roof is required.
After identifying common
issues associated with the failure
of built-in gutters, thermal move¬
ment and the stresses imposed
upon built-in gutter liners under
thermal load will be discussed.
Basic principles associated with
proper built-in gutter design and
detailing will be outlined, includ¬
ing expansion joint design, seam
selection, rivet selection and spac¬
ing, soldering, pan orientation,
cleat type, and outlet tube materi¬
als. Common misconceptions
concerning gutter design, having
to do with metal temper and
gauge, will also be examined.
Throughout the paper, the
issues discussed apply equally to
pole gutters and box gutters, as
some of the illustrations will
show. Similarly, although copper
built-in gutters are most frequent¬
ly referenced in the paper, the
principles are also applicable to
other metals commonly used in
the fabrication of built-in gutter
liners, including lead-coated cop¬
per, tin/zinc alloy-coated copper,
stainless steel, terne, and TCS II
(stainless steel sheet coated with
a tin/zinc alloy).
COMMON CAUSES OF
PREMATURE BUILT-IN
GUTTER FAILURE
Reflecting back on a recent
spate of projects, and then even
further, to those completed over
the past 20 years, a common
thread appeared: problems with
recently installed built-in gutters.
One might expect 50- to 60-yearold
gutters to have problems.
Normal wear and abrasion at drip
lines and outlet tubes will eventu¬
ally create holes and result in
leaks. It is when these “old timers”
are replaced that the real prob¬
lems seem to arise. More and
more, building owners and prop¬
erty managers are reporting prob¬
lems with built-in gutters
installed within the past 10 years.
Observation usually reveals that
even the 10-year-old gutters have
been leaking for some time, evi¬
denced by layers of past, ineffec¬
tive repairs and/or extensive dete¬
rioration of adjacent building sys¬
tems, such as wood cornices, roof
framing, and exterior masonry
walls. Further, more often than
not, the roof systems above these
relatively new gutters – whether
they be slate, tile, asphalt shin¬
gles, standing seam, or batten
seam – are fine. Analysis of the
problems associated with recently
installed built-in gutters suggests
that their design and installation
are not well understood by today’s
design professionals and contrac¬
tors. The building owner, frustrat¬
ed by the leaks, just wants the
problem to go away, holding to the
hope that inexpensive repairs will
save the day and adverse to even
the possibility of having to start
and pay for a major construction
project yet again. Based upon
over 20 years of observing what
“works” and what does not
“work,” learning from past mis¬
takes, and improving upon the
designs of others, it is hoped that
this paper will assist those
responsible for specifying, detail¬
ing, and constructing built-in gut¬
ters with creating gutters that
have a good chance of actually
reaching the end of their expected
serviceable lives and becoming
“old timers.”
Open Seams and Fatigue
Cracks
The most common problems
associated with new built-in gut¬
ters are open seams and fatigue
cracks (Figure 1). Unfortunately,
these problems are also the most
difficult to repair and most likely
to condemn the gutter installa¬
tion. Open seams and fatigue
cracks are typically caused by
improper accommodation of ther¬
mal movement in the gutter liner.
Expansion joints are either not
present, or placed too far apart to
be effective. In addition, the top
edge of the gutter apron is quite
often nailed to the roof deck,
rather than secured with cleats,
thereby restricting thermal move-
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ment, even if expansion joints are
present. These conditions are dif¬
ficult to repair for several reasons:
1) Open seams cannot sim¬
ply be re-soldered to make
them watertight. Dirt and
moisture within the
cracked seam turns into a
black goop when heated
and prevents new solder
from being sweated into
the seam.
2) Fatigue cracks can be
patched with a copper
“plate” riveted and sol¬
dered over the top of the
affected area, but such a
repair should only be con¬
sidered temporary. The
underlying cause of the
fatigue crack – stresses
associated with expansion
and contraction of the gut¬
ter liner – remain, and will
either cause the patch to
fail, or simply transfer the
stress to another point,
resulting in another
fatigue crack.
3) Installation of expansion
joints to better accommo¬
date thermal movement of
the gutter liner is an obvi¬
ous solution, but not read¬
ily achievable. Traditional
expansion joints are
formed by placing end
walls at the ends of two
adjacent lengths of gutter
and leaving a small space
between them. The end
walls act as a dam and
effectively prevent the flow
of rainwater. So, adding
expansion joints without
re-sloping the gutters will
prevent rainwater from
reaching the downspouts.
Re-sloping, of course, re¬
quires removal and re¬
placement of the gutter
liners.
4) Replacement of the trou¬
blesome gutter liner is
often the only effective
option, but again, can be
Figure 1 – Open seam (left) and fatigue crack (right) in two dif¬
ferent lead-coated copper gutter liners. Both are due to lack
of expansion joints to accommodate thermal movement in the
gutter liners.
difficult to execute. The
gutter liner, being at the
roof eave, is always in¬
stalled first, extending up
under the roof system.
When the roof system is
comprised of slate shin¬
gles, for example, the bot¬
tom three or four courses
of shingles can be re¬
moved, salvaged, and rein¬
stalled to allow gutter re¬
placement to occur. When
the roof system consists of
standing seam or batten
seam metal roofing, the
procedure becomes a bit
trickier as the bottom sev¬
eral feet of roofing cannot
easily be removed and re¬
installed. As will be dis¬
cussed below, the transi¬
tion between a new gutter
liner and existing metal
roofing is not widely cov¬
ered in standard industry
publications and, even if
well executed, it is rarely
preferable to having the
gutter liner installed first,
followed by the metal roof
system.
Open seams can also result
from poorly soldered seams and
seams that lack the proper
strength to withstand the stresses
imparted by thermal movement.
The fact is, no matter how well
designed a gutter might be, a
poorly soldered seam will eventu¬
ally fail. In the end, it all comes
down to good execution by the
roofing mechanic. Conversely, a
well-soldered seam will fail if the
seam’s design does not properly
consider the geometry of the gut¬
ter, the gauge (thickness) of the
gutter material, and the anticipat¬
ed thermal loads.
Other frequently encountered
problems not directly related to
thermal movement pertain to
detailing at the outside edge of the
gutter and at outlet tubes. Where
the built-in gutter sits behind a
masonry parapet, the outside
edge of the gutter is often termi¬
nated, or let, into a reglet cut into
the face of the parapet’s coping
stone. This is an aesthetically
pleasing detail in that the observ¬
er at grade cannot see any hint of
the rainwater conduction system
(Figure 2). Unfortunately, this
detailing is prone to leakage as
the reglet opens up. The problem
is exacerbated if the gutter liner is
let directly into the reglet, rather
than being loose locked to a con¬
tinuous cleat or apron, which in
turn is let into the reglet. The for¬
mer detail accelerates the rate of
failure as it either: 1) inhibits
thermal movement, resulting in
open seams and fatigue cracks;
or, more likely, 2) causes prema¬
ture failure of the sealant or mor¬
tar filling the reglet as the diurnal
juggernaut of thermal expansion
and contraction continues unim¬
peded.
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Figure 2 – The outside edge of this
built-in gutter liner is let into a
reglet in the limestone coping stone.
Compare this image to Revere’s
detail shown in Figure 7. Note, too,
that the expansion joint is below the
high water line of the gutter (com¬
pare to Figure 15).
Another problem with the out¬
side edge of built-in gutters
occurs where the outside wall or
leg is an integral part of the gutter
framing or cornice, and is set too
low. 1 During heavy rainfall, water
rushing down the steep-slope roof
above can simply “hop the curb”
and run down the exterior wall.
Both of the gutters shown in
Figure 3 were originally designed
by top-tier, nineteenth-century,
architectural legends in the
Philadelphia region. The low out¬
side edge of the gutter on the left
was found to be contributing to
efflorescence and scaling of the
interior brownstone walls of the
“shouldn’t we assume [the
architect] knew how to
design a gutter?” An
intimidating question, to
say the least, but the
answer remains a
resounding “no.”
Premature failure
often occurs at outlet
tubes. These areas are
subject to the greatest
wear as the greatest vol¬
ume of water passes
through the outlet tubes.
The wear manifests itself
as perforations or pin¬
holes in the copper. The
underlying problem is
that the same weight cop¬
per was used to fabricate
the outlet tube and the
gutter. The goal should be to
anticipate the accelerated wear,
and use a heavier-weight copper
for the outlet tube, so that the
outlet and the gutter can achieve
similar service lives.
Improper Repairs
Not only is built-in gutter
design and construction plagued
by problems, the repairs imple¬
mented to address the faulty gut¬
ters are, more often than not, just
as poorly conceived as the gutters
themselves. Examples abound,
but a few will suffice to make the
point.
church. When informed of this,
the client’s first question was
Fabric tape and mastic (a/k/a
muck and fabric) is often placed
atop open seams. If the soldered
seam could not withstand the
stresses of thermal movement,
why should fabric tape and mas¬
tic do any better? Not only do they
not hold up any better, fabric tape
and mastic also suffer from ultra¬
violet (UV) degradation and cause
accelerated wear of the underlying
copper by both corroding the cop¬
per and preventing the formation
of a protective patina. Fabric tape
and mastic, along with sealants
and flashing tapes, have their
place. They are well suited for
short-term repairs. Too often,
however, they are relied upon as
permanent fixes.
Trough-level expansion joints,
although inferior to standard,
raised, expansion joints, are
sometimes required, and at least
recognize that thermal movement
of the gutter liner must be accom¬
modated. With the installation of
a trough-level expansion joint
should come the recognition that
it will have to be replaced periodi¬
cally, at least several times over
the life of the gutter itself. The key
word here is “replaced.” When
repair consists of placing a second
trough level expansion joint over
an existing one, a raised expan¬
sion joint is created, due to the
thickness of the materials in¬
volved. This would be okay, save
for the fact that the gutter was
designed to slope in one direction
(with water passing over the
expansion joint), not two. The gut¬
ter shown in Figure 4 contains
three trough-level expansion
joints piled one atop the other. All
three leak, and the puddle pic¬
tured slowly drains through the
wood cornice below, causing rot
and deterioration along its way.
The destruction does not stop
there, however; water exiting the
wood cornice soaks into the soil at
grade and has caused a rising
damp problem in the brick
masonry foundation!
Figure 3 – The outside edge of these built-in gutters is set too
low. In a heavy downpour, rainwater can overshoot the gut¬
ters and run down the exterior masonry walls.
Relining failed built-in gutters
with Ethylene Propylene Diene
Monomer membrane (EPDM) is a
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very popular solution in the
Northeast. Done right, the EPDM
can be expected to have service
life of five to 10 years. Done
wrong, as is typically the case,
and the leaks persist. The leaks
continue for several reasons: 1)
termination bars and fasteners
are placed within the zone of ice
damming; 2) the membrane bucks
water, either at its interface with
the roofing material (i.e., the
membrane is not run up, under¬
neath the roofing above), or by
stopping mid-way up large gusset
areas and valleys (Figure 5); 3)
seams open up as the underlying
metal liner moves under thermal
load; and, 4) the EPDM mem¬
brane is simply not capable of
conforming to multiple, tightly
spaced, inside and outside cor¬
ners found in most built-in gut¬
ters (imagine a gutter-end wall,
expansion joint, or outlet tube
within a leader box).2
Figure 4 – Trough-level, mem¬
brane expansion joint in a
large, built-in gutter. Three
expansion joints have been
installed atop one another,
creating a dam. The gutter
outlet is located in the dis¬
tance, near the gutter-end
wall.
Repair of a
faulty or worn out
gutter liner is never
as good or long-last¬
ing as a well de¬
tailed replacement.
On the rare occa¬
sion that replace¬
ment does occur,
however, detailing at
the interface of the
gutter and the
standing or batten¬
seam roofing above
often leaves much to
be desired. Lapped
and sealed seams
are often employed
as the gutter liner,
or an apron joined
to the gutter liner is
Figure 5 – This lead-coated, copper built-in
gutter has been re-lined with an EPDM
membrane. The exposed edge of the mem¬
brane bucks water at the valley. Note, too,
all of the tight inside and outside corners
the membrane must accommodate.
simply slid up below
the roofing as far as possible and
the seam covered with sealant.
ers and contractors in the wrong
direction, now and in the past.
Thermal movement quickly caus¬
es the sealant to fail, subjecting
the lap to leakage via capillary
movement of water and/or ice
damming. To hold the overlying
roof down, bolts are frequently set
right down through the roofing
and underlying gutter liner. A
neoprene washer is typically
expected to do the trick and keep
water out of the hole thus created.
The compression seal being relied
upon quickly fails due to degrada¬
tion of the neoprene and backing
out of the fastener under thermal
loads. In essence, there is now a
hole in the roof/ gutter liner every
12 to 24 inches on center.
The Industry Does a Good Job,
but…
The roofing industry – trade
associations, professional maga¬
zines, manufacturers – does a
good job educating those in the
field. Built-in gutter details in sev¬
eral highly regarded and generally
excellent publications, are, how¬
ever, of dubious integrity. Al¬
though it would be difficult for
these publications to cover all
conditions, their general guidance
would seem to be leading design-
Even a cursory look at the fol¬
lowing five publications, design
manuals all, reveals some signifi¬
cant problems:
Copper And Common Sense
Revere Copper Products,
Inc., Rome, NY, 7th Edition
(1982) and 8th Edition
(2005). Referred to herein
as “Revere.”
Architectural Sheet Metal
Manual, Sheet Metal and
Air Conditioning Contrac¬
tors’ National Association
(SMACNA), Chantilly, VA,
6th Edition (2003). Re¬
ferred to herein as “SMAC¬
NA.”
Designer Handbook, Stan¬
dard Practices For: Stain¬
less Steel Roofing, Flash¬
ing, Copings, Specialty
Steel Industry of North
America, Washington,
D.C., 1995. Referred to
herein as “Specialty Steel
Industry.”
Technical Manual for the
Design and Construction of
Roofs of Stainless Steel
Sheet, No. 12 006, Nickel
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Development Institute and
Japanese Stainless Steel
Association, Toronto, On¬
tario, Canada, 1989. Re¬
ferred to herein as “NiDI.”
Copper In Architecture, Cop¬
per Development Associa¬
tion, Inc., New York, NY,
1992 Edition and 2007
online Edition. Referred to
herein as “CDA.”
Loose-Locked Seams in the Ice-
Damming Region
Placing a loose-locked seam at
the top of the rear vertical leg of
the gutter liner is shown in four of
the five publications (Figure 6).
This detail might be acceptable if
the top of the rear leg is well above
(say 12 or more inches, depending
on climate) the outside edge of the
gutter, or in regions of the country
where ice damming is not likely to
occur. Otherwise, the loose-lock
seam will leak. To be fair, SMACNA
states:
“The metal roof system may
need special features to lock
to the gutter in a waterproof
manner when ice dams are
present with ponding be¬
hind them… Use only onepiece
combination gutter¬
flashing in areas of ice and
heavy snow.”3
In its 1982 ed¬
ition, Revere does
show a gutter
liner extending
below a batten
seam roof, but
only to illustrate
the “need” for a
hold-down (Figure
7). In its 2005 edi¬
tion, Revere offers
that a second
method is possi¬
ble whereby the
gutter liner is
formed to “extend
up on the roof
deck to a point
that will be at
least six inches
(6″) under the
roofing.”4 Al¬
though mention
of this second
method is helpful,
Revere does not
indicate when it
should be em¬
ployed. In the
end, a picture is
worth a thousand
words, and what
is pictured ends
up on architects’
detail sheets as
shown in Figure
8.
Figure 7 – Gutter hold-down shown in Copper
and Common Sense, 7th ed., p. 64 and 8th
ed., p. 4.C.6.
Figure 8 – Detail for a residence in Maryland
showing a loose lock seam between the leadcoated
copper roofing and stainless-steel gut¬
ter liner within the zone of potential ice
damming. Compare this Figure to the stan¬
dard details shown in Figure 6.
Figure 6 – Four of the five design manuals consulted show loose-lock seams in the zone of possi¬
ble ice damming. From left: Copper and Common Sense, 7th ed., p. 63 and 8th ed., p. 4.C.5;
Architectural Sheet Metal Manual, 6th ed., p. 1.17; and, Copper in Architecture, 1992 ed., p. 4.4.5
and 2007 online edition. In the latter detail, the top inside leg of the gutter seems to be below
the gutter’s outside edge.
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side end of the expansion
joint well below the out¬
side edge of the gutter
itself. Should the gutter
fill up with water, this
expansion joint will most
certainly leak. Loose lock
seams, as between the
expansion joint cap and
end walls, have no place
within the trough of a
built-in gutter.
Figure 9 – Two gutter details showing the gutter liner nailed to the
roof deck. Left: Designer Handbook, Standard Practices For: Stainless
Steel Roofing, Flashing, Copings, p. 12. Right: Gutter detail for a col¬
lege dining hall in Pennsylvania. Note, too, how the roofing tile in the
detail at right (labeled “Architectural shingle to match existing”) mini¬
mally laps the top edge of the gutter liner.
Hold-Downs in the
Gutter Trough
Revere recommends
the use of hold-downs in
built-in gutters to prevent
lifting of the gutter liner.
The hold-down consists of
Nailing the Top Edge of the
Gutter Liner to the Roof Deck
While Revere and SMACNA do
a very good job showing the use of
cleats to accommodate thermal
movement in gutter liners, the
Specialty Steel Industry incorrect¬
ly implies in its “Interior Gutter”
detail that nailing the top edge of
the gutter liner to the roof deck is
acceptable (Figure 9). Again, to be
fair, the note that accompanies
the detail discusses the need to
allow for expansion of the gutter
liner, but neither the note nor the
detail recommend the use of
cleats. And, again, what is shown
usually ends up on a design pro¬
fessional’s detail drawing (Figure
9, right).
Insufficient Overlap of the
Roofing Material
Detail C, Built-in Gutter, in
the CDA’s 1992 manual, shows a
4-in-wide gutter apron loose
locked directly to the bottom end
of standing seam roof pans (Figure
10). Although the notes that
accompany the detail recommend
it for roofs with a slope of at least
6 in 12, it is poorly conceived and
will be subject to leakage should
ice damming occur. The 2007 ver¬
sion of this detail is much im¬
proved, showing the gutter apron
extending under the roof pans 4
in. The notes that accompany the
2007 version once again state the
detail is recommended for roof
slopes of 6 in 12 or more.
Unfortunately, the note goes on to
state that “for roofs with lower
pitches, see Detail D.” Detail D is
shown herein in Figure 6. It is not
the best of alternatives.
brass screws set through
oversized holes in the gutter liner
(to permit thermal movement to
occur) at 48 in on center, each
with a washer and copper cap sol¬
dered over top. In 1982, Revere
stated that hold-downs are neces¬
sary where the “back section [of
the gutter] is merely an extension
of the roof slope.”5 In 2005, Revere
Vertically Challenged
Expansion Joints
Although Revere and
SMACNA do an excellent job
explaining the need to
accommodate thermal
movement in built-in gut¬
ters using expansion joints,
none of the publications
offers design details that
will remain leak free under
snow and ice loads or, in
one instance, should the
gutter fill up with water due
to a clogged outlet tube
(Figure 11). In each of the
details shown in Figure 11,
the inside end of the expan¬
sion joint’s end walls and
cap terminate at the loose
lock located at the top of the
rear vertical leg of the gut¬
ter, where it will be subject
to water infiltration. The
NiDI’s detail depicts the out-
Figure 10 – Although recommended
for roof slopes of 6 in 12 or more,
insufficient overlap of the roofing
and gutter apron could subject the
loose lock seam to water penetration
under ice damming conditions.
Copper in Architecture, 1992 ed., p.
4.4.5.
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Figure 11 – Vertically challenged expansion joints, from left: Copper & Common Sense, 7th ed.,
p. 61 and 8th ed., p. 4.C.4; Architectural Sheet Metal Manual, 6th ed., p. 1.27; and Technical
Manual for the Design and Construction of Roofs of Stainless Steel Sheet, p. 75. Compare these
details to Figure 15.
recommended hold-downs where
the sloping portion of gutter liners
or other large flat areas are wider
than 18 in. 6 Experience has
shown that not only are hold¬
downs rarely, if ever, installed (at
least in the Northeastern region of
the country), lack of hold-downs
has not resulted in widespread
failure due to lifting of gutter lin¬
ers. While there may be instances
where hold-downs are beneficial,
the temptation to penetrate the
gutter trough with screws should
be resisted in favor of an alternate
design or the use of expansion
cleats at transverse seams (Figure
12).
Repair Details
Repair details for built-in gut¬
ters are rarely found in design
and installation manuals. Revere
included nine paragraphs of text
and a detail drawing showing the
“Method of replacing faulty gutter
lining” in its 1982 edition of
Copper and Common Sense. The
entire subject seems to have been
eliminated from the 2005 edition.
SMACNA dedicates seven para¬
graphs in an appendix to repair¬
ing and replacing metal roofs.
None, however, is directly related
to built-in gutters. None of the
other publications provides infor¬
mation on gutter repair.
Transverse Seam Design
Transverse seams occur in
almost every built-in gutter. Their
design and detailing are critical to
the watertightness of the gutter.
Of the five publications, Revere
dedicates the most space to seam
design. Revere recommends
locked and soldered seams for
gutter liners fabricated of 16- and
20-ounce copper sheet and
lapped, riveted, and soldered
seams for those fabricated of 24-
and 32-ounce copper. On the sub¬
ject of rivets, Revere has become
very precise, but not very practi¬
cal. In 1982, Revere recommend¬
ed the use of 3/1 6-in-diameter
solid copper rivets, with copper
burrs or washers placed below the
peened heads to prevent damage
to the underlying copper. It
allowed, however, that “several
other types of rivets are satisfac¬
tory in making this type of seam.”7
In its 2005 edition, Revere re¬
tracts the statement, saying: “Be¬
cause of reduced joint strength,
Revere does not suggest the use of
smaller diameter blind rivets [i.e.,
pop rivets] for structural joints in
24 ounce or heavier copper.” As if
to apologize for precluding the use
of pop rivets in 24- and 32-ounce
gutter liners, Revere states that it:
…recognizes that peening
solid rivets can be very diffi¬
cult and labor-intensive. We
also realized that it can be
exceedingly difficult to
“buck” the concealed side/
end of rivets if a gutter lining
is installed before the rivets
are peened. 9
Revere goes on to suggest
that, to solve the problem, gutter
sections be joined in the shop or
on the roof and then set in posi¬
tion in the gutter trough. Can you
imagine trying to set a 30- to 40-
foot length of gutter in position
without kinking it! Solid copper
rivets may provide the strength
Revere is looking for to hold trans¬
verse seams together, but there
must be a better way! In fact, sev-
Figure 12 – Although this
detail can not be found in any
design manual, such an expan¬
sion cleat may be a viable
option for securing transverse
seams in gutter liners where
wind uplift is a concern.
Proceedings of the RCI 23rd International Convention Levine – 155
Figure 13 – Two poorly depicted seams in the CDA’s Copper in
Architecture, 1992 ed., p. 4.4.5, top left. By 2007, the detail
had changed to that shown at the top right, but the accompa¬
nying note left the reader confused as to whether the seam
should be locked and soldered or lapped, riveted, and soldered
/Copper in Architecture, 2007 online edition). One architect’s
interpretation is shown at bottom: a locked, riveted, and sol¬
dered seam.
eral practical options are given
below, in the Design Principles
section of this paper.
The other publications are not
nearly as detailed as Revere in
their recommendations for trans¬
verse seams. SMACNA merely
states that “all joints must be
lapped, riveted, and soldered.” 10
The Specialty Steel Industry also
recommends lapped, riveted, and
soldered seams. Neither associa¬
tion mentions rivet type. The
Specialty Steel Industry states
that joint sealants may also be
used. That is unfortunate, be¬
cause built-in gutter seams made
watertight with sealant have no
chance of remaining so. Trans¬
verse seams in new gutters fabri¬
cated of solderable metals, such
as copper and stainless steel,
should never be caulked or
sealed.
In its 1992 publication, the
CDA shows two variations for
transverse seams: a locked and
soldered seam poorly represented
by showing the solder just along
the leading edge (i.e., not sweated
all the way through the seam),
and a soldered slip seam, again
with solder just on the leading
edge {Figure 13). Neither of these
seams possesses great strength
and would surely crack after a few
seasons of thermal movement in
the gutter. In the CDA’s 2007 edi¬
tion, the detail has appropriately
changed to a lapped, riveted, and
soldered seam (see Figure 13). The
note that accompanies the new
detail is, however, confusing. It
reads:
“Where seams occur in the
copper gutter lining, a locked
and soldered seam is re¬
quired to maintain a water¬
tight gutter condition. The
seam should be locked and
soldered or riveted and sol¬
dered so as to allow the
water to flow away from the
joint.”11
It is not entirely clear which
seam is recommended. An im¬
practical seam like the one shown
in Figure 13 might result from
such a note.
Given all of the above, it is not
surprising that some questionable
details are being put forth by
design professionals. In other
cases, the drawings simply side¬
step the details. As one contractor
recently stated: “We don’t usually
get detail drawings for our [builtin
gutter] work (except from you!),
as I think most architects shy
away from that kind of stuff.”
Anecdotal evidence, as well as
direct observation, suggests that
many contractors charged with
the design of a built-in gutter are
not aware of the laws of thermal
expansion and contraction and
simply use 16-ounce copper no
matter the length or geometry of
the gutter. Sixteen-ounce copper
will certainly be less expensive
than heavier weights and easier to
fabricate. It also has a good
chance of failing prematurely in
long, wide gutters due to the
stresses associated with thermal
movement.
UNDERSTANDING THERMAL
MOVEMENT
Built-in gutter problems are
widespread, due largely to ques¬
tionable workmanship and some
questionable design standards.
The primary key to rectifying the
situation is understanding the
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gutter section gutter plan
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expansion joints and weight of copper to be used in built-in gutters
/Copper & Common Sense, 8th ed., p. 9.B.9).
tively short while, the
hanger will snap in half
due to metal fatigue.
Since the thermal
movement cannot be
prevented, it must be
accommodated in the
gutter design. Three
primary factors come
into play in accommo¬
dating thermal expan¬
sion and contraction:
the weight or gauge of
the copper; the geome¬
try or shape of the gut¬
ter trough; and the dis¬
tance between fixed
points in the gutter
(usually considered to
be downspout locations
and corners) or changes
in direction. The three
factors are interrelated.
Change one, and the
others must change as
well in order to effecdynamics
of thermal expansion
and contraction. As Revere states,
“When copper gutters are
installed without proper consider¬
ation of the required columnar
strength necessary to transfer
movement, failure in the copper
sheet occurs.” 12
Revere has been a leader in
the scientific study of thermal
movement since the late 1930s
when it was found that an
increasing number of copper gut¬
ters were failing. At the same
time, the design recommenda¬
tions of the copper and brass
industry were called into ques¬
tion. And rightly so, as 16-ounce
soft copper was recommended for
virtually all copper flashings and
gutters. 13 Revere’s research led to
a breakthrough in understanding
the stresses imposed upon copper
gutter liners undergoing changes
in temperature.
All metals expand and con¬
tract with changes in tempera¬
ture. The degree to which they
move varies and has been quanti¬
fied in a number called the Co¬
efficient of Thermal Expansion.
The Coefficient is expressed in
inches per inch per degree
Fahrenheit (in./in./°F). Coldrolled
copper’s Coefficient of
Thermal Expansion is 0.0000098,
while that of stainless steel (300
series) and aluminum (3003) are
0.0000096 and 0.0000129, re¬
spectively. A 10-ft-long piece of
copper sheet will thus increase in
length approximately 0.2352 in
over a 200-degree temperature
change. 14 A 30-foot-long piece of
copper will increase in length
approximately 0.7056 in. This
movement cannot be stopped,
only accommodated. If the move¬
ment is hindered, as by nailing
the top edge of the gutter liner to
the roof deck, or if too light a
gauge is used given the length
and shape of the gutter, the cop¬
per will flex at some point along
its length. Repeated flexing will
result in a fatigue or stress crack.
Imagine taking a wire hanger and
bending it back and forth repeat¬
edly at its mid-point. After a rela¬
tively accommodate
thermal movement. Stand a flat
sheet of copper on end, and it will
crumple and fall over. Bend that
same piece of copper into a U
shape, and it will stand upright
and might even take some addi¬
tional load pushing down on it.
Spread the sides of the U out too
far (i.e., increase the angle
between the sides and the bottom
of the U), and it will topple.
Lengthen the U-shaped piece of
copper several folds, and it might
crumple and fall over. Increase
the gauge of the copper sufficient¬
ly, however, and now it will stand
upright. These same concepts
apply to a gutter liner laying hori¬
zontally in a gutter trough and are
why the ability of a gutter liner to
accommodate thermal movement
is sometimes referred to as its
“columnar strength.”
One of the results of Revere’s
pioneering research is a concise
table that quantifies the above
concepts, allowing one to deter¬
mine the appropriate copper
gauge for a gutter liner given its
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Figure 15 – Built-in gutter expansion joint with its outside edge raised 1 inch above
the gutter’s high water line. Detail by the author.
shape and the distance between
fixed points. A portion of Revere’s
table is reproduced in Figure 14.
Using the built-in gutter shown in
Figure 8 as an example, if the dis¬
tance between two downspouts is
60 ft, an expansion joint is to be
placed at the mid-point between
the two downspouts, the maxi¬
mum angle is 90°, the minimum
angle is 70° (not 110°), and the
trough width is 5-1/2 in, then 24-
ounce copper is required for the
gutter liner. Note that the gutter
width was rounded up to the
nearest width given in the table (6
in) and that the minimum angle
was rounded down to the nearest
angle given (60°). These roundings
are conservative in nature; in
both cases, essentially supposing
the gutter geometry to be “weaker”
or less able to transfer thermal
movement in the gutter liner to
the expansion joint. That is, the
actual gutter liner with a trough
width of 5-1/2 in and minimum
angle of 70° will possess greater
columnar strength than calculat¬
ed and should be able to transfer
movement over even a greater dis¬
tance than the 33 ft derived from
the table. Usually, the longest dis¬
tance between an expansion joint
and fixed point in a gutter system
is selected as the “worst-case”
scenario and the copper gauge
thus calculated is used for all of a
building’s gutters. If one gutter
section especially long, however, it
is perfectly acceptable to calculate
one copper gauge for it and anoth¬
er for the shorter gutters. In the
example above, if the distance
between the expansion joint and
downspout in all of the building’s
other gutters is only 20 ft, 16-
ounce copper could be employed
in these gutters, thereby reducing
the cost of material significantly.
Problems frequently arise
right off the bat in gutter replace¬
ment projects when the calcula¬
tions for determining the copper
weight required reveal that the
thermal loads will not be carried
to the expansion joints. That is,
the gutter geometry and distance
between expansion joints and
fixed points is such that even 32-
ounce copper will not possess the
columnar strength required to
“make it” to the expansion joints.
In these situations, it is often nec¬
essary to alter the gutter layout,
adding downspouts (fixed points)
and expansion joints. 15 Some
resloping of the gutter trough will
also be required in order for rain¬
water to slope to the new down¬
spout locations. When determin¬
ing the new gutter layout, care
must be taken to avoid placing
new downspouts in line with
existing window and door open¬
ings. The moral is: do not assume
that the designer or contractor
before you got it right. It is impor¬
tant to run through the steps nec¬
essary to determine gutter gauge
and maximum safe distance
between expansion joint and fixed
point for each building and, some¬
times, for each gutter in a given
building.
Two common misconceptions
related to thermal movement in
gutters prevail among design pro¬
fessionals and contractors. The
first surely dates back to the early
20th century. It posits that soft
copper is best for use in built-in
gutters because it can better flex
to accommodate the inevitable
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expansion and contraction of the
copper that occurs with changes
in temperature. While this is true,
as explained earlier, all that flex¬
ing will eventually lead to metal
fatigue and a gutter leak. 16 The
second posits that the thicker the
copper sheet used to fabricate a
gutter liner, the more the gutter
will expand and contract along its
length. This is incorrect, as the
coefficient of thermal expansion is
a constant. It does not vary with a
material’s thickness. 17
BASIC PRINCIPLES OF BUILTIN
GUTTER DESIGN
Now that the weight of the
copper sheet required has been
determined based on the geome¬
try of the gutter and distance
between expansion joints and
fixed points, the real detailing can
begin. Guidelines are given below
for the detailing of expansion
joints, transverse seams, and a
host of other important features
critical to the long-term function¬
ing of built-in gutters. Soldering
is, perhaps, the most critical
workmanship issue in the instal¬
lation of built-in gutters. And
while one cannot design good
workmanship, several specifica¬
tion requirements can help to
ensure high-quality soldering in
the field.
Expansion Joint Design
Expansion joints should be of
raised design, formed by riveting
and soldering end walls to the
adjacent ends of gutter length and
then loose-locking a copper cap
over the space left between the
two end walls. This is all fairly
straightforward and as shown in
most of the design manuals previ¬
ously surveyed. The real key to a
leak-free expansion joint is three¬
fold: 1) raise the outside end of
the expansion joint above the out¬
side edge of the gutter (i.e., get it
above the gutter’s high-water
line); 2) run the expansion joint
up under the roofing material as
far as the gutter apron, again tak¬
ing the top inside edge of the
expansion joint well above the
gutter’s high-water line; and, 3)
solder a small diverter on the
expansion joint’s cap to direct
rainwater into the gutter trough
rather than over the edge of the
gutter (Figure 15}.
Seam Selection and Detailing
Locked and soldered trans¬
verse seams or lapped, riveted,
and soldered transverse seams?
That is the question. Lapped, riv¬
eted, and soldered seams are pre¬
ferred. They are strong, water¬
tight, and easier to install than
locked and soldered seams. Rivets
provide the strength. Solder pro¬
vides the waterproofing. Forming
is as easy as lapping one pan atop
the other in the direction of water
flow. Locked and soldered seams
fall short in terms of ease of
installation, which can result in a
weaker and, sometimes, leaky
seam. The problem arises at the
inside corners formed by the
intersection of the gutter trough
and inside and outside legs of the
gutter. In order to get two adja¬
cent gutter pans to lock, some
mechanics will snip a small “V”
out of the under-folds and overfolds.
This creates small points of
weakness in the finished seam
that can crack under thermal
loads, snow loads, and the stress¬
es associated with foot traffic.
When designing a lapped, riv¬
eted, and soldered seam, the fol¬
lowing details should be consid¬
ered: 1) Adjacent lengths of gutter
should be lapped 1-1/2 inches. 2)
Rivet pattern and spacing is criti¬
cal. Generally, rivets are placed
1/2 inch in from each edge of the
seam and laid out in two rows in
a staggered pattern. The spacing
between rivets within each row
and the type of rivet employed
depend largely on the weight of
the copper being joined and the
anticipated stress on the seams.
So, for instance, copper pop rivets
spaced at 2-1/2 inches to 3 inch¬
es on center are usually adequate
for 16- and 20-ounce copper gut¬
ter liners. Stainless steel pop riv¬
ets spaced closer together will
provide added strength and
should be considered for 24-
ounce copper. Stainless steel pop
rivets spaced closely together may
also be adequate for small gutters
constructed of 32-ounce copper.
Solid copper rivets should be con¬
sidered for large, 32-ounce copper
gutter liners. 3) Stainless steel riv¬
ets tend to be a little more difficult
to solder than copper rivets.
Thorough fluxing of the rivet
heads is critical. 4) The mandrel
portion of pop rivets should be
constructed of the same material
as the rivet head, or one that is
galvanically compatible with the
head. Avoid the use of steel and
copper-plated steel mandrels
when using copper rivets, as
these will leave unsightly rust
stains at the seams. A magnet is a
handy way to tell a copper -plated
mandrel apart from a solid copper
or brass mandrel.
Soldering
No procedure in the fabrica¬
tion and installation of built-in
gutters is more critical to the gut¬
ter’s watertightness than solder¬
ing. The topic of soldering de¬
mands an entire article in itself.
In addition to selecting the correct
flux and solder, removing any
residues left over from the manu¬
facturing process, cleaning the
edges to be joined to bright metal,
pre-tinning copper, and cleaning
residual flux after soldering is
complete, there are at least three
additional critical steps that
should be specified and followed.
First, the seam should be sol¬
dered the same day it is formed on
the roof. This will help keep dust,
dirt, rainwater, dew, and conden¬
sation out of the joint and make
the task of soldering easier and
more effective. If the seams can¬
not be soldered the same day,
they should be protected until sol¬
dering can be take place. Sim¬
ilarly, if there are other construc-
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tion activities generating a lot of
dust in the vicinity of where
seams are being formed, such as
raking out of mortar joints or
reglets, installation of the seams
should be postponed until the
other activity has ceased.
Second, the correct iron must
be used. Gone are the days when
the sheet metal mechanic used a
fire pot and a pair of coppers (sol¬
dering irons) weighing 6 to 10
pounds per pair. Continuously
heated irons are veiy common
today, on account of the increased
productivity they offer. That is
okay, but the soldering tip on the
continuously heated iron must
still be in the 1- to 2-pound range
in order to sufficiently heat all lay¬
ers of metal within the seam and
get the solder to flow or sweat
through the entire seam. Smaller
irons cannot do this, even if they
are held in one place for a longer
period of time. Seams soldered
with irons that are too small have
solder primarily along their lead¬
ing edge and tend to crack and fail
prematurely.
Third, mechanics should be
tested and pre-qualified to per¬
form soldering prior to the start of
construction on site. Once in
place in a gutter, it can be difficult
to verify whether a seam is sol¬
dered well without destructive
testing. Full-time field observation
of soldering operations would be
ideal, but too expensive for most
projects to bear. The next best
thing is to require each roofing
mechanic anticipated to be
involved in soldering to submit
12-in long samples of locked and
soldered, and lapped, riveted, and
soldered seams for approval. The
back side of the sample seams
can be easily observed and the
samples can be cut in half across
the seam to further verify that the
solder has been sweated through
all layers of metal the full width of
the seam. Mechanics whose
seams are rejected should not be
permitted to undertake soldering
work on the project. Periodic,
unannounced testing of pre-qual¬
ified mechanics throughout the
course of the project may also be
appropriate in some situations.
Gutter Pan Orientation and
Cleat Location
In most built-in gutters, gutter
pans should be formed in 8- to
10-ft lengths and laid longitudi¬
nally. This will eliminate from
55% to 63% of the seams, the
weakest points in the gutter. If the
total girth of a gutter is much
larger than 3 ft (the width of a typ¬
ical copper sheet), then it may be
necessary to consider other
options. These include laying the
pans transversely, using flatseam
copper pans (18 in x 24 in
maximum size), and switching to
another material, such as a fluidapplied
membrane waterproofing
system (which has no seams).
Regardless of whether the gut¬
ter pans are laid longitudinally or
transversely, standard-type cleats
should not be installed at the
transverse seams, as they would
inhibit thermal movement of the
gutter liner. If wind uplift is a con¬
cern or if cleats are necessary to
help the new gutter liner to lay
flat, expansion cleats may be used
(Figure 12).
Cleats should be installed
along the top (inside) and bottom
(outside) edges of the gutter liner
to allow the gutter to expand and
contract longitudinally. The cleats
should be spaced at about 12
inches on center and secured with
two nails each to prevent the
cleats from rotating and pinching
the gutter liner. Laid out in this
way, the cleats not only help to
hold the gutter liner in place, but
also act as guides as the copper
liner moves under thermal load.
In most U.S. climates (except,
perhaps, the desert southwest),
the temptation to loose-lock a
separate gutter apron to the gut¬
ter trough (at the top of the gutter
liner’s inside vertical leg) should
be avoided. To take it a step fur¬
ther, not only should the gutter
apron be continuous with the gut¬
ter trough, it should also extend
up the roof slope to a point at
least 1 to 3 inches above the out¬
side edge of the gutter. Where the
build-up of snow and ice in the
gutter can be expected and where
ice damming might be anticipat¬
ed, it is sometimes prudent to
construct a continuous watertight
system between the gutter apron
and roof system above. One way
to achieve this is to strip-in the
top edge of the gutter apron with
a self-adhering ice dam protection
membrane. In order to be effec¬
tive, the top edge of the stripping
must be adhered directly to the
roof deck, with the roofing mater¬
ial’s underlayment lapped atop it.
Tight tolerances can be tough
to achieve in building construc¬
tion. One that should be observed
pertains to the gutter trough. The
bottom of the gutter trough must
be kept in direct contact with the
substrate material, (usually wood
sheathing, felt, and rosin paper).
If the substrate is not a perfect
plane, the gutter liner will span
between the high and low points
in the substrate and be subject to
kinking under load, whether that
load stems from foot traffic,
water-soaked leaves and debris,
ponded water, or snow and ice.
Minor unevenness in the sub¬
strate usually can be leveled by
installing additional layers of roof¬
ing felt and/or resin paper in the
low areas of the substrate. If
major troughs and crests are pre¬
sent in the substrate, strong con¬
sideration should be given to
repairing or replacing the trough
to achieve a planar surface.
Outlet Tubes and Overflow
Scuppers
Outlet tubes suffer from more
wear than any other portion of the
gutter liner, due to the greater
quantity of water flowing through
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the outlet. Knowing this, it is pru¬
dent to use a heavier gauge metal
for the outlet tube than the gutter
liner itself. For example, if the
gutter liner is fabricated of 20-
ounce copper, 24-ounce copper
might be used for the outlet tube.
In all cases, the longitudinal seam
in the outlet tube must be well
soldered along its entire length.
Alternatively, outlet tubes can be
fabricated of Drain Waste and
Vent (DWV) solid copper drainage
tube for even greater wear resis¬
tance. Four-inch-diameter DWV
tubing has a wall thickness of
approximately 0.058 inches,
nearly 80% thicker than 24-ounce
copper sheet. Another advantage
of DWV copper tubing is that it
has no longitudinal seams to leak
or burst apart. Joints between
adjacent lengths of DWV copper
tubing should be sweated with
solder like copper plumbing. Use
emery cloth to clean the joint
area, flux-core solder, and a torch
to sufficiently heat the copper. 19
Whether sheet copper or DWV
copper tubing is used, the 1/2-in
flange at the top end of the outlet
tube must be continuous and free
of splits and snips which create
points of weakness in the riveted
and soldered seam between the
outlet tube and gutter liner. 20
Lastly, the outlet tube and down¬
spout should have approximately
the same cross-sectional area.
If the gutter trough is very
deep, allowing large pools of rain¬
water to collect should the outlet
tube(s) become clogged, overflow
scuppers should be installed.
Overflow scuppers should be
placed several inches above the
outlet tube (in a parapet wall, for
example), be the same size as the
outlet tube, and sloped at a down¬
ward angle to the outside. Since
they hopefully will be put to use
with much less frequency than
the outlet tube itself, overflow
scupper tubes can be fabricated
of the same weight metal as the
gutter liner.
Gutter Replacement
When a relatively new gutter
is in such poor condition that it
must be replaced, the design prin¬
ciples outlined above all apply.
The tricky part, however, can be
in integrating the new built-in
gutter with the existing roof sys¬
tem. If the existing roof system
consists of individual units such
as slate or tile, it is relatively easy
to remove, salvage, and reinstall
the shingles to permit gutter re¬
placement. Similarly, asphalt
shingles can be removed and sim¬
ply replaced to allow the new gut¬
ter to be set in place first, followed
by the overlying roofing. If the
existing roof system consists of
standing or batten-seam copper
roofing, the task becomes more
difficult. The question becomes,
how does one get the new gutter
up, underneath the existing roof¬
ing, without having to remove the
entire roof?
With a batten seam roof, it is
often possible to cut the nails
securing the wood batten to the
roof deck using a reciprocating
saw or slate ripper, and then slide
the new gutter apron up, below
the batten seam roof pans. Since
the upper portion of the trans¬
verse seams in the gutter apron
cannot be soldered once installed
(they are now below the roof
pans), they must be soldered
beforehand. This, in turn, re¬
quires that the apron be slid into
place in long lengths equal to the
distance between expansion
joints. Once in place, the apron
can be locked and soldered, or
lapped, riveted, and soldered to
the gutter liner and the battens
re-secured to the roof deck using
screws set through the top of the
battens (i.e., out of the major flow
areas), an inch or two above the
top edge of the gutter apron. The
screws must be covered with cop¬
per caps soldered to the battens
to make them watertight.
With a standing seam copper
roof, there is no good place to
locate screws for re-securing the
pans to the roof deck. And since
the top edge of the new gutter
apron cannot be cleated to the
deck (it is below the roof pans),
securing the bottom edge of the
roof pans with clips soldered to
the gutter apron will not work –
one unsecured element is being
fastened to another. One solution
is to cut the existing gutter liner,
removing that portion which is in
the trough and leaving the gutter
apron in place. The new gutter
liner can then be locked and sol¬
dered, or lapped, riveted, and sol¬
dered to the gutter apron. Of
course, this solution will not work
in all circumstances. For exam¬
ple, the existing gutter apron may
not extend far enough up below
the standing seam pans, may be
nailed rather than cleated to the
roof deck, or be in poor condition
itself. In such cases, the unique
aspects of the particular project,
such as the overall condition of
the roof, gutter configuration,
budget, climate, etc., will play a
large part in determining an
appropriate course of action.
Other Design Considerations
Other important considera¬
tions in the design and installa¬
tion of built-in gutters include
their size in relation to the roof
area they will serve and rainfall
intensity for the region, their
depth-to-width ratio, sacrificial
flashings, redundant waterproof¬
ing systems, heat-trace systems,
and the number, location, and
capacity of the downspouts serv¬
ing the gutters. Some of these top¬
ics are well covered in other pub¬
lications.21
When detailing a gutter, it is
best to think about it under the
worst of conditions – not under
the sporadic, gentle rain, but
rather in the middle of a drench¬
ing downpour, with the outlet
tubes completely clogged, or in
the days after a major blizzard,
with the trough packed full of
snow and ice. Try to imagine how
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the gutter will drain, where the
water will travel to, and, if there is
ice damming, where might that
alternating layer of water and ice
penetrate? If the gutter liner is
designed and installed with the
worst of possible conditions in
mind, it should be able to handle
these situations, and anything
else Mother Nature throws at it.
FOOTNOTES
1. Although it is possible to
set the outside edge of the
gutter too high, resulting
in an inefficient depth-towidth
ratio, or inadequate
strength to resist snow
and ice loads, the condi¬
tion does not appear to be
a common one.
2. Fluid-applied membrane
waterproofing systems
with conformable reinforc¬
ing mats might be a more
lasting re-lining option,
but seem to be infrequent¬
ly employed, perhaps due
to cost or unfamiliarity
with the systems available.
3. Architectural Sheet Metal
Manual, 6th ed., (Chan¬
tilly, VA: Sheet Metal and
Air Conditioning Contrac¬
tors’ National Association,
2003), p. 1.16. The text
goes on to reference Figure
6-16, but the figure is of
little help.
4. Copper and Common
Sense, 8th ed., (Rome, NY:
Revere Copper Products,
Inc., 2005), p. 4.C.6.
5. Copper and Common
Sense, 7th ed., (Rome, NY:
Revere Copper Products,
Inc., 1982), p. 62.
6. Copper and Common
Sense, 8th ed., p. 4.C.3.
7. Copper and Common
Sense, 7th ed., p. 14.
8. Copper and Common
Sense, 8th ed., p. 2.7
9. Ibid., p. 5.B.7.
10. Architectural Sheet Metal
Manual, p. 1.16.
11. “Copper In Architecture,”
online ed., (New York, NY:
Copper Development Asso¬
ciation, Inc., 2007).
12. Copper and Common
Sense, 7th ed., p. 62.
13. Dave Hunt, “Using Com¬
mon Sense,” Metalmag,
Vol. 8, No. 3 (March/April
2007): p. 96. As late as
1942, one popular publica¬
tion stated “It is the con¬
sensus opinion that the
best material for gutter lin¬
ing is in the order named:
soft copper, lead, tin and
galvanized iron,” (Ander¬
son, Edwin P., Sheet Metal
Pattern Layouts, (New
York, NY: Theo. Audel &
Co., Publishers, 1942), p.
620).
14. AL = Lo x C x AT, where AL
is the change in length, Lo
is the initial length of the
gutter, C is the coefficient
of thermal expansion (a
constant), and AT is the
change in temperature.
Thus, 120 in x 0.0000098
x 200 degrees = 0.2352 in,
or approximately 15/64 in.
It should be noted that
many design manuals
assume a 100-degree
change in temperature. In
the northeastern United
States, a 200-degree sea¬
sonal temperature change
is a more prudent assump¬
tion, given nighttime win¬
ter lows at or below zero
and summertime highs at
around 100 degrees F. It is
important to keep in mind
that the temperature of
copper in direct sunlight in
the summertime will be
much greater than the
ambient air temperature.
Note, as well, that expan¬
sion across a gutter’s
width is usually ignored,
except for very wide gut¬
ters. A 16-in-wide gutter
trough, for example, will
increase in width approxi¬
mately 1/32 inch over a
200-degree temperature
change, well below the tol¬
erance possible in the fab¬
rication of a built-in gutter
liner.
15. Changing the gutter geom¬
etry is another option, but
either not possible or not
alterable enough to make
much of a difference. For
example, changing the
minimum angle of the gut¬
ter in Figure 8 from 70° to
90° by adding blocking will
result in an increase of
just 3 ft in the maximum
safe distance between
expansion joint and fixed
point (see Figure 14).
16. It is important to recognize
that built-in gutter liners
do not behave like flat¬
seam copper roofing pans.
The latter are essentially
flat sheets, able to billow
or “oil-can” as they heat up
and expand. Built-in gut¬
ter liners, for all practical
purposes, cannot oil can
longitudinally due to their
brake-formed shape. Try it
with a piece of 8-1/2 x 11
paper: Lay it flat on a flat
surface and push the two
ends together – it will bil¬
low in the center. Fold 90-
degree bends along oppo¬
site sides and try to push
the two ends together
(using all of your fingers in
the “trough” of the paper
gutter) – the paper will
kink, not billow.
17. The thicker copper will
undergo a proportionally
greater increase in thick¬
ness over a given tempera¬
ture change. Thus, 32-
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ounce copper will increase
in thickness approximate¬
ly 4/10,000 in more than
16-ounce copper over a
200-degree temperature
change.
18. See Copper and Common
Sense, 8th ed., p. 5.B.2,
for a good introduction to
soldering.
19. Other methods of joining
copper tubing may be pos¬
sible, such as using pat¬
ented couplers under com¬
pression.
20. Various methods of form¬
ing the 1/2-in flange are
possible. One method is to
heat the copper and slowly
draw the flange out with a
ball-peen hammer and
anvil. Another is to run the
tube through a turning
machine and then stretch
and draw out the flange
with stretching hammers
and square stakes.
21. One such publication is:
Stephen Patterson, Madan
Mehta, and Richard J.
Wagner, “Roof Drainage,”
RCIF Publication No. 02. 03,
(Raleigh, N.C.: RCI, Inc.,
2003).
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