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January 1988 RCI Interface

January 25, 1988

January 1988 RCI Interface

 

Roofing Consultants:
the Help an Architect Needs
by D. B. Young
In the May 24th Memo, newsletter of The American
Institute of Architects, an article entitled “Roof
Problems’’, stated:
“It is difficult, if not impossible, for the Architect to
observe and attest the total application of a roofing in¬
stallation during construction. Most Architects will admit
privately, if not otherwise, that they are not experts and
tend to relj’ upon someone else for the quality of job they
hope to get.’’ The article further stated: “We call for soil
experts, concrete testing, reinforcing bar inspectors, struc¬
tural steel inspectors and in many instances a full-time
project representative … So why not specify a recognized,
reputable roofing expert?” This question was asked by the
claims committee of the AIA Architects Liability Com¬
mittee.
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Region Meeting Spotlight
This is the first of a series of in depth accounts of
Region Meetings held recently. In subsequent issues of
INTERFACE, one Regional Meeting will be selected for
review in detail. Our initial Region Meeting Spotlight will
be focused on the meeting organized by Region 3 Director
Donald Busch, Sr.
The meeting was originally scheduled for the Best
Western O’Hara; however due to heavy flooding in the
Chicago area, the original meeting site was destroyed and
the meeting had to be postponed from September 30,
1987 to October 7, 1987. The location was moved to the
Caravelle Motor Inn in Rosemont, Illinois.
A total of twenty-six personnel attended the meeting,
17 members and 9 prospective members. Invitation
response was over 90 percent with nearly 50 percent of
the membership expressing conflicting business activities.
The meeting was divided into morning and afternoon
sessions.
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During the first segment of the morning session George
Kanz, RCI Second Vice President, provided information
pertaining to the 1987 Convention and Annual Meeting,
the RCI Certification Program and the 1988 Convention
— and Annual Meeting.
Continued on Page 5
Message from the President
Tlieie is important news for RCI Members and
other roofing industry members. With deep regret, I
will forego my usual inspirational message in order
to inform all readers of recent RCI activities and
schedules of events.
RCI at NRCA Convention in February
NRCA has invited RCI to participate in the
technical program at the NRCA Convention
February 23-26, 1988 in Dallas, TX. The subject
of the presentation will be “improving Working
Relations Between Consultants and Contractors.”
We will present our program twice on Friday after¬
noon, February 26, 1988. The program will have a
panel discussion format. Each panel member will
make a brief presentation and a question and answer
period will follow. The panel members are:
Robert W. Phillips, Jr., ADSS, Raleigh, NC
panel moderator
Robert W. Lyons, PSI, Houston, Texas
Richard P. Canon, PE, Canon Consulting &
Engineering, Spartanburg, SC
Richard Horowitz, AIA, Trenton, NJ
Ben Hales, Moisture Systems Inc., Houston, TX
This is an outstanding opportunity for construc¬
tive give-and-take. 1 urge you to be there.
KLEI Proposes Testing Program
RCI has received a proposal from The Roofing In¬
dustry Educational Institute to prepare a “Testing
Program” for RCI. The test program would entail a
6-8 hour test encompassing all aspects of roofing
technology and some waterproofing. R1E1 has offered
a separate proposal for administering and grading the
tests and a one day seminar before testing.
We will meet with Dick Fricklas at the R1E1
Seminars in Charlotte, NC, January 5-8, 1988, to
discuss the proposal further. Members will consider
the proposal at Lhe Annual Meeting on March 30,
1988 in San Francisco.
My7 personal thanks to Richard Horowitz, Robert
Lyons, Ben Hales and others who brought this to
fruition.
Certification Test
A Task Group of the Credentials Committee lias
reviewed and revised the national Certification ex-
Continued on Page 3
Scandal in BUR-hemia
by Philip D. Drepger
Tile case had battled the bank for months —mysterious
leakage occurred after every rain despite extensive root
repairs. As the authorities led the bewildered plumber
away, the rooting contractor approached the noted roof
consultant and asked. “What gave it awav?”
“Elementary, my dear sir. Superimposing the leak loca¬
tions on the roof plan drawing, circumstantially implicated
the interior drain lines and close examination of the pipin g
wrapped up the case. The offensive leakage was caused not
by the roof but by detective connections in the drain
lines.
.-X methodical yet simple approach to solving roof
leakage problems can help the root consultant expose the
guilty party.
The basic steps of a leakage investigation are: gathering
background data, reviewing the roof surface, identifying
the suspected sources of leakage and conducting a testing
program.
Information must be obtained about the leakage pro¬
blem, the building construction and the roofing system.
The leakage locations should be observed from below to
note the type of construction, water infiltration paths and
in the case of steel decks, the direction of the ribs.
Infiltrating water can flow considerable distances along
decking ribs betore exiting to form an observed leak.
Specifics about the problem history should be gathered, in¬
cluding when the problem begins, time of the vear it <<-
curs, if wind is a factor and whether repair work lias been
effective.
Also, the investigator should try -o identify die roofing
materials, the approximate age of die roof and whether a
vapor retarder has .been provided. Finally, the leakage loca¬
tions should be plotted on a roof plan.
The rooftop “walkover” review is probabiv the most
familiar step of leakage investigations. 7’he survey includes
a general overall review of root conditions, but is concen¬
trated near the areas of reported leakage.
Locations of ponding water conditions, mechanical units
and unusual surtace conditions (i.e., soft spots i should be
superimposed on the diagram of leakage locations. This
relatively simple procedure has often helped identify the
source of leakage. Other iterns which -should be checked
included attachment ,f the tool perimeter, lap integrity ol
single ply systems and effective curb heights on retrofit
roofs.
Sometimes the source of leakage is obvious after perfor¬
ming a rooftop survey. However, the investigation should
be continued unless there is total confidence all sources
have been identified.
The likely sources of the water leakage can usually be
identified based on the background information and roof¬
top survey. Additional testing and in-depth review work is
necessary to ferret out which factors are actually causing
the reported leaks. Without this information, money could
be wasted on fruitless attempts to correct the leakage
problems.
The plan of testing and supplemental review work
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should be carefully outlined to confirm and discriminate
between the suspected causes. This usually involves some
creative thinking. Elements of rhe testing program could
include ponding water, water spray testing, test cues and
nondestructive moisture surveys.
Despite the common suggestion, rainy days are not
good days to perform water ponding or spray testing. The
possible sources of infiltration should be checked one at a
time, progressing “upward”, to accurately differentiate
between them. For example, is surficial problems are
suspected (e.g., splits, punctures, open laps:, waterpond
testing should be done before “spray testing” iterns pro¬
truding above the roof surface.
Water Ponding—Water ponding for diagnostic purposes
is similar to tests performed on some new rooting probjects.
but is usually confined to only small portions of the
total roof area. The test includes ponding water over the
root membrane near die reported leaks for two hours or
less and observing for water infiltration. Bentonite or sand
bags can be used to isolate areas of ponding.
Water Spray Testing —7’he controlled sprav is used to
check the water shedding integrity of base flashing,
counterilashing, mechanical units and any other sloping or
vertical surface suspected tor water infiltration.
7 he test can be perrormed using a common garden hose
with an adjustable nozzle or bv using a specially [abricat edr
spray rack. If a garden hose is used, the spray should be
adjusted to approximately 12” in diameter and no more
than a twenty square foot area should be tested at one
time. Typically, the test is conducted for 20-30 minutes
at each location. Polyethylene sheeting and duct tape can
he used to control overspray onto adjacent rooting com¬
ponents.
Poof Cuts — Roof test cuts should not be done unless re¬
quired. Test cuts, however, are essential if the components
of a roofing system are not known or if deterioration of
the decking is suspected. In addition, if flashing details are
confirmed to be sources of leakage, representative portions
of the flashings should be dismantled to verify the actual
path ol water infiltration and to provide the information
necessary to formulate effective repair procedures.
Moisture Surveys —Nondestructive moisture surveys are
used to identify areas of wet insulation. The pattern of wet
insulation can be helpful in pinpointing “hard to find”
sources of leakage (i.e., small splits and punctures). Wet
insulation should be replaced to lessen the risk of deck
deterioration and rusting of mechanical fasteners as well as
to re-establish the thermal efficiency of the roofing svstem.
Generally, it is a good idea to perform a moisture
survey unless the leakage is isolated to or in small areas.
Moisture surveys should always be performed when in¬
vestigating roof leakage on roofs with vapor retarders since
large areas of insulation could be wet without resulting Ln
observable leakage.
Message: From Page 1
amination. We thank all persons who took tlie test
last year for their comments and critiques. We
especially thank Richard Frickias. RIEI, for
■ generously donating his time to review and com-
‘ meat on die examination. The Task Group analyzed
1 all comments and is incorporating them where possi¬
ble into the revised and updated test.
‘ We remind you that, by vote of the Members, all
Professional and Industry Members are eligible for
Certification. Completion of the education and ex¬
perience portion of the program is prerequisite for
taking or retaking the written examination. Certifica¬
tion Program applications are available bv written
request to RCI. 742-1 Chapel Hill Rd.. Raleigh. NC
2. 607 .
The second seating for the Certification test will
be on Monday morning, March 28. 1988. at the
Westin St. Francis in 5an Francisco. California.
Meeting with NRCA
RCI recently met with NRCA to discuss the status
oi the NRCA request for endorsement ot the Quali¬
t•y Control documI ent.
We received the status of our reply. Members
tabled action on the request at rhe Annual Meeting
in Orlando. March 25. 1987, We covered the
following additional items in a frank and constnicuve
discussion:
A statement of any sort should be in RCI’s
language as approved by RCI Members.
RCI should participate in testing, etc. concerning
quaiity control of built in roofs.
RCI and NRCA should maintain regular liaison.
The next revision of the NRCA Roofing &
: ‘Waterproofing Manual should contain the Qualitv
Control document.
IWRCA should send the document to The
■ American Institute of Architects for inclusion in
i their master spec documents.
, The following action steps have resulted from the
meetings:
The Executive Committee will prepare a state-
, ment concerning RCI endorsement of the Quality
, Control document. Members will discuss the state¬ ly ment at die /Xnnual Meeting on March 30, 1988
< in San Francisco.
I RCI invited Michael Beldon, NRCA President,
to attend the Convention and /Xnnual Meeting to !
participate in discussions concerning the document i
as desired. Michael has graciously accepted. I
A representative from RCI will participate in and j
report to Members on field tests concerning asphalt <
application rates. NRCA will conduct these tests in
Miami, FL in January in cooperation with Trumbull ■
Asphalt. These are foilow-up tests to earlier joint ■
NRCA/Trumbull tests.
RCI and NRCA have established the Liaison Com¬
mittee. The RCI committee makeup is being con¬
sidered by tlie Executive Committee. By-laws are be¬
ing prepared. NRCA committee members are:
Robert Harrison, James Dietz, Richard Rosenow and
Bob LaCosse.
New Board of Directors
The Executive Committee announced it’s proposal
lor an expanded Board of Directors in tire previous
issue of the Interface Newsletter. The proposed
Board of Directors will consist of seven Region
Directors, the Officers, and the three most recent
Past-presidents.
Region Three elected William B. Earlv, Illinois
Roof Consulting Associates. Inc., 4302-G Crystal
Lake Road. McHenry, IL 60050, 815/385-6560 as
Director. Other Regions may choose to elect their
Director at the Convention in San Francisco, or bv
mail ballot of the Region Members.
RCI at Researcii Meeting
Ben Flales. RCI First Vice-President, Moisture
Systems Inc., Houston. TX, participated in the re¬
cent Research forum sponsored by NRCA and MBS.
Ail forum participants were roofing industry leaders
and tlie output of their gathering will benefit each of
us and the roofing industry.
RCI and SPRI Convention in January
Richard P. Canon. PE, immediate Past-President of
RCI. Canon Consulting & Engineering, Spartanburg,
SC. will address the Single-Ply Roofing Institute.
SPRI will meet January 23-27, 1988 at Bonaven¬
ture Resort & Spa. Fort Lauderdale, FL. Dick will i
speak on “Modified Bitumen—The ‘Hot’ Alter¬
native.” I do not consider Dick to be contentious,
but I will say that I have never known Dick to back
down from a position in which he strongly believes. i
If I were you, I would plan to be in Fort Lauderdale
for this presentation. ■
As I write this, Christmas is two days off. Even j
when things are flowing smoothly and caught up, i
my output can best be characterized as “just in I
time.” This year will end leaving me with about 1
two more months of work to get out—choke—sob.
Best wishes for the Holiday Season. See you in San
Francisco!
Robert W. Phillips, Jr.,
President
Robert F. Martin
This is the third of our series of RCI Super stars. Bob
Martin is one of our most hardworking and active RCI
members. Ue is currently Director of Region I.
It was a quiet day in the Sports Department when the
boss came in and handed me the lead for my latest assign¬
ment, an interview with a guy who coached soccer in his
spare time. There wasn’t much info to go on, just the
basics—Robert F. Martin. Born New York City,
September 16, 1942. I knew what I had to do.
I found Martin standing on the sidelines of the soccer
field during a practice game. His team
looked pretty good. I introduced myself and he agreed to
an interview. “Tell me, Mr. Martin, how did you get in¬
terested in the game?”
“Well, my initial contact was with Owens-Coming
Fiberglass in the Industrial-Commercial Division.”
“Owens-Corning?”
“Yes, from there I went to work at Bradco Supply as a
General Sales Manager. During that ime I was an officer
in the New Jersey Roofing Industry Association and came
to love the industry and its participants and its
challenges.” I had the feeling’ one of us had taken a hard
left in the conversation.
“Excuse me, but I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone
refer to soccer as ‘the industry’.”
“No, neither have I. But getting back to roofing. . . ”
“Roofing?? What about soccer?”
“Soccer? Oh, it’s a great game. But as I was saying, in
1973 it was evident that the industry was changing.
There was a growing need to help people with all their
roofing problems from the original design stage through
their replacement stage. Thus the birth of Roof
Maintenance Systems.” I could see we had a problem. I
looked for an opening. “That’s great coach, but what
about that team of yours today? They’re looking pretty
good so far.”
“Why, thank you. I have to admit, I’m very proud of
the progress we’ve made over the last fourteen years.”
“Fourteen years? Gee, Mr. Martin, I didn’t realize you
had that much experience out here.”
“Oh yes. Naturally, we started out in the immediate
area, New York and New Jersey, but we’ve practically
been all over North and South America—Canada,
Mexico, Puerto Rico. And there are currently plans in the
works that would take us to the United Kingdom and
Brazil.
“Brazil? You’re kidding me. You mean the World
Cup?”
Martin laughed. “World Cup? No, we’re good, but not
that good: I don’t mind telling you though, I did receive
the Engineer Of The Year Award from the AIPE.”
“Really?” I reached for an antacid.
“Yes, I’m very proud of that. But personal
achievements are only part of the story. Working with
other dedicated professionals in the field also has its
rewards. I believe, by working together, we were in¬
strumental in getting the State of New Jersey to introduce
Roofing Consultants into their Division of Building and
Construction. Currently, the State of New Jersey cites
membership in a professional organization such as RCI as
a criteria for their selection of Roof Consultants.”
At this point I heaved a somewhat defeated sigh and
asked “RCI?”
“The Roof Consultants Institute, in which, by the way,
I’m currently working as director of Region One. I first
became interested in RCI in 1983, after a seminar given
by Bob Phillips and Bob Lyons in Newark, New Jersey. I
liked the commitment shown by its officers. And, I was
impressed by their approach of working towards the bet¬
terment of the industry as opposed to self-centered goals.
We should strive to do all we can to improve the industry
where we earn a living.
“Yeah, I see what you mean,” 1 said, studying my
shoes.
“Those who become involved in this business quickly
come to realize what the rest of us already know, which is
that education is a large part of this industry. Over the
years I’ve not only attended, but have given numerous
seminars in roofing, such as the one at the National Plant
Engineering and Maintenance Conference in Chicago. I’ve
also produced articles for Building Management as well as
the AIPE library.”
At this point, even 1 had to admit, this guy really was
dedicated. . . “It sounds like you know all the ins and
outs of roofing.”
“I wouldn’t say all. There’s always something new to
learn. Over the years, of course, you do build up a body
of knowledge, including a few tricks of the trade. For in¬
stance, I’ve discovered some warning signals that indicate
when a project may be headed into some dangerous ter¬
ritory.”
“You mean, if you see a water stain on the ceiling it
means there’s a leak in the roof?” Somehow my integrity
as a sports reporter began slipping away.
“No, no. Nothing that obvious. These come in the
form of a few choice phrases you hear people say. I’d be
happy to share them with you —if you’re really
’nterested.”
“Oh, 1 am, I am.’’ Oh my god, what was I saying?
“Alright. There are five phrases that always put me on
my guard:
‘1) 1’11 give you a 20 year guarantee’
‘2) I’ve never had a problem on any of my roof jobs’
‘3) This roof system will solve all your problems’
‘4) I’ve been doing roofing. for 50 years and 1 know all
there is to know about roofing’
‘5) I’m an expert’ .”
Smiling, I shook my head. “You know Mr. Martin,
“Call me Bob.”
“Thanks. Well, Bob, I have to say, if you’re as single
minded about coaching soccer as you are about roofing, I
wouldn’t be at all surprised to find your team at the
World Cup.”
He raised his eyebrows to consider the possibility.
And, sportsfans, that’s a wrap.
Editor ‘s Note: In his leisure time, Bob Martin coaches the
Jackson Vics, a girls soccer team that includes his
daughter, the star forward.
Thank You Cooley
This issue of the RC1 Newsletter is sponsored by
COOLEY ROOFING SYSTEMS, another manufac¬
turer of fine roofing products which has seen (it to
support our organization.
Roofing Construction: From Page. 1
Along with the decision to select a roof consultant, the
architect must decide what type of roof consultant to
utilize. Roof consultants fall into three broad categories.
The first is that of the exroofing subcontractor or exroofing
material representative. The second category is
that of the independent testing laboratory. The third is
comprised of Architect/Roof Consultants. These roof con¬
sultants are, in fact, architects who, through additional
formal training and continued experience, have specialized
in the design of roof membrane and construction ad¬
ministration of their installation. The latter group is the
most knowledgeable about building systems and best
qualified to make decisions relating to the interface of both
roof membrane and roof deck. Furthermore, the Archi¬
tect/Roof Consultant is knowledgeable in the preparation
and coordination of drawings and specifications due to his
architectural background.
. Jin selecting a roof consultant, the architect should use
x.* same approach that he does in selecting other
specialized consultants. The architect should review the
consultant’s qualifications in depth. Specialized training
should include additional educational courses through the
National Roof Consultant’s Association, the Roofing In¬
dustry Educational Institute and other continuing profes¬
sional education courses in roofing. A review of the con¬
sultant’s construction documents provides the architect
with an insight into the quality of documents to be ex¬
pected. In addition to a review of the consultant’s con¬
struction documents, tire architect should examine the
qualifications of the field inspectors, as well as examples of
field reports.
Paralleling the architect in his services, the roof consul¬
tant should interface at all project phases. In the
preliminary design phase, the roof consultant can have in¬
put to the structural engineer as to the selection of the
structural deck for interface with the roofing membrane;
coordination which the plumbing engineer as to the design
of storm water system for interface with the roof drainage
layout; input to the mechanical engineer in the selection
of roof insulation. For the architect, the preliminary
design decision of roof membrane and flashing system is
the most significant decision made with the roof
consultant.
In the construction document phase, the roof consultant
will prepare a comprehensive roof plan, indicating all roof
top equipment and penetrations with complete flashing
details for all conditions. The specifications prepared
would both be current and tailored to the membrane
details drawn.
During the bidding/negotiation phase of the project, the
roof consultant would be responsible for answering the
bidders’ questions regarding the documents relating to the
roof membrane and preparation of addendum items, if re¬
quired.
To begin the construction administration phase, the
consultant would review and process submittals and be
responsible for the roofing pre-construction conference
prior to the beginning of the roofing installation. Upon
commencement of the roofing installation, the roof consul¬
tant would provide periodic site visits to observe the con¬
struction. Upon completion of the roofing subcontractor’s
work the roof consultant would perform a substantial in¬
spection, followed by a final completion inspection. Prior
to final acceptance by the architect, the roof consultant
would perform an additional “roof walk-over” to insure
that the roof was not damaged during subsequent con¬
struction.
The previous tasks discussed are representative of nor¬
mal roof consulting services for a roof and/or a new
building. Roof investigation of an existing building prior to
an extensive interior renovation project, is another service
that architects could utilize. For architects providing
building maintenance services to the firm’s clients, the
roof consultant’s periodic roof inspections can compliment
the architect’s services. In addition to periodic site visits,
the roof consultant can provide a full-time project ,
representative during the roofing installation.
In summary, now is the time for the architect to add
the roof consultant to tire design team to assist in answer¬
ing the critical question of roofing design and installation.
Effective Trail Testimony for
the Roofing Consultant
by James B. Irwin. Attorney, New Orleans, LA
The three key elements of effective trial testimony for the
rooting consultant are 1) understanding the proper role of
the roofing consultant as a witness. 2″‘ exhibiting
the appropriate demeanor to the judse and the jury, and
3) doing the necessary preparation for an effective presen¬
tation.
The role of a roofing consultant on the witness stand, is
that of a teacher, not an advocate. The finder of fact,
whether judge or jury, is not experienced in matters of
rooting, hence, our system provides tor the testimony of
an expert, who, by virtue of his experience and training,
can express opinions on questions which are not ordinarily
known by the Jay public. As such, the roofing
consultant’s job is to teach the trier of-tact about the roof¬
ing business and technology, and express an expert opinion
on the facts ol the particular case at hand.
It is the lawyer’s job to advocate a position for the
client, and not the expert’s, yet the expert must be firm to
be convincing. Balancing strength and impartiality is
where demeanor comes in. and the most appealing de¬
meanor is one that -irmly conveys the opinion without un¬
necessary argument, ail expressed on an even level with
counsel. That is to say. neither above nor below counsel,
but on an equal level. It is essential that the expert treat
opposing counsel with the same respect as he treats the at¬
torney who has retained him.
Without minimizing the importance of the role of the
roofing consultant, and his demeanor .is an expert witness,
clearly the most important element is his preparation. A
.good presentation on the witness stand Joes not come
about lay accident, it’is the result or a partnership of hard
work between the roofing consultant and counsel. Accord¬
ingly. this article will present in checklist form the basicsteps
in the preparation for trial. Although most cases set¬
tle, the consultant should approach ever/ case from the
beginning with the view that he will testify in court.
INVESTIGATION
I. Initial Contact and Exchange of Information
Counsel should familiarize the rooting consultant with
the tacts, law and issues in the case. Preliminarily, there
should be a discussion regarding any potential conflicts of
interest and thereafter an outline of the consultant’s
charges and rales. Usually the consultant will have to be
retained on a preliminary basis, since it cannot be known
at the early stages whether the consultant’s opinions will
be favorable to the attorney’s client and position. Accord¬
ingly, the roofing consultant and counsel should be
prepared to exchange information to determine the scope
of the work to be performed by the consultant. Counsel
should provide the consultant with significant pleadings,
contract documents and specifications, photographs and
any other materials that would aid in providing a
preliminary review for the consultant. On the other hand,
the consultant should provide counsel with excerpts of ap¬
propriate treatises, industry information, manufacturers’
material or any other professional documentation that
would aid counsel in appreciating the consultant’s poten¬
tial role in the case and the ultimate issues that the con¬
sultant would be called upon to render an opinion.
2. Preliminary Review
Upon preliminary review of the case information, it
should be resolved whether the consultant is likely to be
able to express an opinion consistent with counsel’s posi¬
tion. If the consultant foresees any potential problems in
representing this particular party, now is the time to con¬
vey them to counsel.
3. Planning Conference
The consultant and counsel should have a face to face
meeting to plan the consultant’s role in the case. That
discussion should include an outline of the plans for nature
handling, such as the deposition schedule for the excert, if
known, the potential trial date, the period of time for con¬
ducting discovery of documents and witnesses and how
the work of the consultant will fit into that litigation
schedule. The comerence should also contain a discussion
of the type of documentation which should be reviewed bv
the consultant, the planning of inspections and sampling
by the consultant, including the necessary preparation or
documents, roof plans, samples and photographs, and the
.selection of a laborator/ tor sample analysis, if necessary.
Counsel and the consultant should also discuss at this
time if it will be necessary to prepare a formal report.
•i. Inspection / Sampling. Photographs
It is not the purpose of this article to teil a roofing cansuitant
how to do his job. except to advise, from a trial
standpoint, that all tindings ot the consultant should be
well documented and the consultant should prepare these
documents mindful that opposing counsel and the jure
wiil most likely have access to them.
5. Report
By now the consultant s expert inspection and analysis
is usually complete, and he is in a position to express an
opinion and finding to counsel. This should be done first
in oral form, and then by written report if required.
DEPOSITION
At this point the consultant’s initial work is complete,
and in all probability, opposing counsel will want to take
his deposition. The roofing consultant should welcome
this as an opportunity to get to meet the opposing
counsel. In many respects, the deposition can be a dress
renearsal for the trial testimony, hence, the preparation for
the deposition may substitute in some respects for the trial
preparation. The following steps should be taken to
prepare for the deposition, and if the consultant is not
deposed, they should be done prior to trial.
1. . Review of important depositions taken in the case.
2. Review of contract documents. ■
3. Review of manufacturer’s documents.
-1. Review of photographs and laboratory reports.
5. Potential prior inconsistent statements.
6. Cross-examination. The consultant and counsel should
prepare a list of all points on which there may be an- ‘
ticipated cross examination.
7. Preparation of file. The consultant’s file, including his
. field notes, photographs, lab reports and final report, if
any. should be appropriately prepared for rhe deposition
so that it will be readily available to the consultant and
to ail counsel. In some jurisdictions, the disclosure of
the consultant s fiie is limited in certain respects. This
would have to be taken up with counsel on an in¬
dividual basis. In any event, what is produced should
be put in a professional and usable form.
The Joys
of Being an Expert Witnes
by Victor Bedibion. Roof ConsiiltorH
“Oh joy. oh rapture unforeseen.” oh little did vou know
when you wrote that report, a year and one-half apo. on
that leaking built-up roof, that one day you would be call¬
ed to task on ail those opinions and conclusions you so
easily came to at the time. Here now. in a crowded cour¬
troom. a judge before you. a jury to the side of you and a
hostile attorney advancing toward you with the sole pur¬
pose of discrediting you. here now those words vou Hibiv
wrote down, you will have to justifv.
Does it sound familiar? Fore most of us who have
chosen roof consulting as our profession, it is an inevitable
experience. Is it an experience we can enjov? For the con¬
sultant who enjoys the challenge of a professional
‘ ‘matching-of-wits.” serving as an expert witness is an enjoyable
experience. If not. it can be a humiliating and
trustrating experience with a likely temporary loss of seif
continence.
It is not enough to have knowledge and experience in
roofing matters, you must also be able to convev this ex¬
pertise m a concise and understandable manner to a jurv.
A jury is often in the position of having little, if anv
background in the area covered by the expert witness
testimony. The expectation of the lawyer who retained the
Roof Consultant is that he or she will have a pivotal im¬
pact on the decision rendered by tire judge or jurv. To
have this impact, communication must occur.
Based on my own experience and of other experts I
have talked with, here are some suggestions which mav
help to make the most positive effect on the deliberations
of the court.
Be professional, candid, and sincere. If unable to res¬
pond to a question, say so. If unsure about a question, re¬
quest clarification. Avoid ambiguity, memory failure and
misperceptions. Be patient and maintain a sense of humor.
If the occasion arises for levity, provide it. 1 lowever,
forced humor is worse than no humor at all.
Do not argue with the opposing counsel, and even
worse, do not argue with the judge. You must realize that
you are a novice playing in their ballpark under their
rules. You have got to play it straight and prepare
thoroughly. Cases are won or lost on the credibility of the
witness not on his brilliance.
Speak slowly in a clear voice. Be confident but not
cocky. Avoid using technical jargon. Use visual aids such
as charts, drawings and photographs to simplify technical
matters. Explain complex construction conditions simpiv
and without condescension.
Don’t become argumentative, defensive or sulky when
the opposing attorney appears to gain the upper hand. Let
him have his moment. Keep calm and professional.
Remember, the consultant’s attorney has the option of re¬
direct testimony to repair any damage incurred during
cross examination.
Don’t pretend to Ire an expert in ail matters. The
witness stand is an inappropriate place to discover a lack
ot expertise. Try to be realistic about your own abilities
and knowledge. A good opposing counsel will deflate your
ego and destroy your testimony if there is no substance in
your claim to be an expert.
Fees charged by the Roof Consultant should be based on
time expended and the complexity of the case. Thev
should never be dependent on a percentage of die
recover.-. Contingent fees for expert testimony will certain¬
ly impair testimony, and worse, may be illegal.
The expert Roof Consultant should be familiar with the
rules of evidence. In particular, he should know something
about the legal term “hearsay”. It is entirely possible that
die laboratory tests he had made or the calculations by an
employee of his firm which he incorporated in his report,
may be declared as “heresay” bv the trial judge. If no
one from die testing lab was at the trial who had personal
knowledge ot the test procedures to authenticate the
reports, the reports will not be adrnissable as evidence. If
the employee who made the calculations was not under
your close personal supervision, or in court to testify, the
calculations will not be adrnissable as evidence. The Roof
Consultant must be very careful on the procedures he
follows, always keeping an eye on the fact that the
evidence he is collecting must be in a form acceptable to
the rules of the court.
Report on Regional Meetings
The Regional Directors are to be commended for their
work in organizing and conducting the Meetings. Also, a
special thank-you goes out to the RCI Officers who
assisted the Region Director during the Meetings. Finally,
we want to express our appreciation for all those who at¬
tended and participated in the Regional Meetings.
The following is a brief review of recent RCI Regional
Meetings held during 1987.
Region 1
Director: Robert Martin, Roof Maintenance Systems.
Farmingdale. New Jersev
Date: October 9, 1987
Place: Holiday Inn Jetport, Newark, New Jersev
Program • Review of Institute Business, current and
Agenda: future
• Review of the Certification Program
• i echnical Session on Polyurethane Foam
Roofs presented by George O’Donnell of
Dow Corning
• Technical Session on Roof Fasteners by Stan
Choiniere of Olympic Fasteners
• The election of a new Regional Director
will be held during the 1988 National
Convention in San Francisco
Region 2
Directors: D. B. Young, D. B. Young & Assoc.,
Altamonte Springs, Florida
Joe Hale, Roof Consultant Services, Dublin,
Virginia
Date: November 6, 1987
Place: Airport Marriott, Orlando, Florida
Program • Review of Institute Business, current and
Agenda: future
• Review of the Certification Program
• Roof Fastener Program presented by Tim
Eason of Trinity Group Fastening Systems
• Roundtable discussions on fee structures,
roof reports and contracts
Region 3
Director: Donald Busch Sr., Illinois Roof Consulting
Assoc., McHenry, Illinois
Date: October 7, 1987
Place: Caravelle Motor Inn, Rosemont, Illinois
Program • George iKanz, RC1 Second Vice President,
Agenda: provided information pertaining to pre¬
vious and future National Conventions,
annual meetings and the RCI Certification
Program
• David Rich of Owens-Corning Fiberglas
made a technical presentation on Modified
Bitumen Systems
• Paul Nimtz, representing RCl’s Educational
Services Committee and the American Iron
and Steel Industry provided a two hour over-
% view of the metal roof industry
• William Early of Illinois Roof Consulting
Assoc, was elected to serve as the new
Director for Region 3
Region 6 & 7
Directors: Region 6 — Harold Larsen, Roof Systems
Engineering, Fresno, California
Region 7 — Harold Crooks, Roof Consultant
and Inspection Service, Edmonds, Washington
Date: October 14, 1987
Place: Hyatt Hotel, Oakland Airport, Oakland,
California
Program • Report by Jim Magowan, Secretary of RCI,
Agenda: on attendance at the 1987 RCI Conv
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> I-,’1! veptijyi aF Orlando, Florida, including the
oj results of the new RCI Certification Tests
■ for roof consultants.
• Seminar on Metal Roofing presented by
Paul Nimtz, a representative of American
Iron & Steel Institute
• Report by Harold D. Larsen, RCI Region
VI Director, on attendance at the meeting of
the Legal Resource Center of the National
Roofing Contractors Association at Palm
Springs, California on September 18 and 19,
1987′
• Report by Harold D. Larsen, Chairperson
of RCI Legal Information & Resources
Committee, on “Latent and Patent Defects
of Construction and California Laws”.
Future RCI Regional Meeting Schedule
Below is the latest regional meeting schedule dates and
locations that we have received from our Regional Direc¬
tors. Please feel free to contact your Regional Directors
directly with any questions, comments, or suggestions you
may have for these upcoming programs. We are sure any
help and support you can provide these organizers would
be greatly appreciated.
Region 4
Director: Chris Clarke (214) 631-4372
Date: February 9, 1988
Place: Hyatt Regency – West Tower, DFW Airport
Topics: Expert Witness Testimony and Related Topics
Meeting: From Page 1
formerly with Dergibum America gave an excellent
generic discussion of the technical aspects of modified
bitumen, both SBS and APP, concentrating on the
strengths and weaknesses of both systems, and providing
historical performance data. Mr. Rich provided a very in¬
teresting discussion which sparked many questions from
the audience and he responded with very direct and
thorough answers. Our thanks to Mr. Rich and OCF for a
job well done.
During the afternoon session Paul Nimtz, representing
RCl’s Educational Services Committee and the American
Iron and Steel Institute, provided a two hour overview of
the metal roof industry’. Paul’s invigorating presentation
was the highlight of the annual meeting and was par¬
ticularly well received by those planning to take the Cer¬
tification Examination in March 1988. This program is
highly recommended as a training tool for all Regions.
At the conclusion of the meeting all voting members
were assembled to elect a new Director to replace Donald
Busch, Sr. Nominations were solicitated from the
membership and William Early of Illinois Roof Consulting
Associates, Inc. was unanimously elected to serve as the
Director of Region III and serve on the RCI Board of
Directors for a period of three years. Mr. Early assumed
his new position immediately. Tentative plans were
discussed to hold the next annual meeting at approximate¬
ly the same time next year.